issue129:labo_linux
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After a bit of reading, I discovered that Red Hat 7.1 supported the printer. At the time, Linux was a really hot commodity and boxed editions of Linux distributions could be found on the shelves of just about every major computer retailer. I picked up Red Hat 7.1 and have never really stopped using Linux since. ** | After a bit of reading, I discovered that Red Hat 7.1 supported the printer. At the time, Linux was a really hot commodity and boxed editions of Linux distributions could be found on the shelves of just about every major computer retailer. I picked up Red Hat 7.1 and have never really stopped using Linux since. ** | ||
- | Mon premier contact avec Linux a été quand un de mes frères | + | Mon premier contact avec Linux a été quand un de mes frères |
- | Après quelques lectures, j'ai découvert | + | Après quelques lectures, j'ai découvert |
**Over the years, I’ve tried many different Linux distributions on a lot of different hardware. One of the things I’ve learned is that some Linux distributions tend to work better on particular hardware than others. I’ve also learned that I love “distro-hopping” because I get to better see the breadth of software available. Although Full Circle Magazine is primarily an *buntu-based magazine, knowing what else is out there, and how it compares, can only be a good thing. | **Over the years, I’ve tried many different Linux distributions on a lot of different hardware. One of the things I’ve learned is that some Linux distributions tend to work better on particular hardware than others. I’ve also learned that I love “distro-hopping” because I get to better see the breadth of software available. Although Full Circle Magazine is primarily an *buntu-based magazine, knowing what else is out there, and how it compares, can only be a good thing. | ||
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It’s 2018, the Lenovo Thinkcentre M57 (MT-M: 6072-C1U) was first announced September 2007, making it over 10 years old. At the time this article is being written, Intel is on its 8th generation of Core i-Series processors. The Intel Core 2 Duo E4400 CPU in the M57 is vastly underpowered compared to an i3-8100 CPU. Core 2 Duos remain the most popular donation to our computer refurbishing project despite the fact that they’re a lot less useful now that technologies like VR are becoming more mainstream.** | It’s 2018, the Lenovo Thinkcentre M57 (MT-M: 6072-C1U) was first announced September 2007, making it over 10 years old. At the time this article is being written, Intel is on its 8th generation of Core i-Series processors. The Intel Core 2 Duo E4400 CPU in the M57 is vastly underpowered compared to an i3-8100 CPU. Core 2 Duos remain the most popular donation to our computer refurbishing project despite the fact that they’re a lot less useful now that technologies like VR are becoming more mainstream.** | ||
- | Au fil des années, j'ai essayé beaucoup de distributions Linux différentes sur beaucoup de matériels. Une des choses que j' | + | Au fil des années, j'ai essayé beaucoup de distributions Linux différentes sur beaucoup de matériels. Une des choses que j' |
- | Nous sommes en 2018 et la première annonce du Lenovo Thinkcentre M57 (MT-M: 6072-C1U) date de 2007 ; il a donc plus de 10 ans. Au moment où cet article | + | Nous sommes en 2018 et la première annonce du Lenovo Thinkcentre M57 (MT-M: 6072-C1U) date de 2007 ; il a donc plus de 10 ans. Au moment où cet article |
**At our refurbishing project, we’ve standardized on Xubuntu, specifically Xubuntu 16.04 LTS. Every year or two we check out other distributions to see if there’s something that makes them a better fit with our project. Manjaro’s rolling release status is attractive because software tends to be more cutting-edge – without sacrificing stability. Having used FreeBSD for years, I liked the idea of ports/ | **At our refurbishing project, we’ve standardized on Xubuntu, specifically Xubuntu 16.04 LTS. Every year or two we check out other distributions to see if there’s something that makes them a better fit with our project. Manjaro’s rolling release status is attractive because software tends to be more cutting-edge – without sacrificing stability. Having used FreeBSD for years, I liked the idea of ports/ | ||
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I burned a Manjaro 17.1 XFCE ISO image to a DVD using K3B. Initially I tried to write Manjaro to a USB key using MultiWriter, | I burned a Manjaro 17.1 XFCE ISO image to a DVD using K3B. Initially I tried to write Manjaro to a USB key using MultiWriter, | ||
- | Dans notre projet de rénovation, | + | Dans notre projet de rénovation, |
- | Avec K3B, j'ai gravé une image ISO de Manjaro 17.1 XFCE sur un DVD. D' | + | Avec K3B, j'ai gravé une image ISO de Manjaro 17.1 XFCE sur un DVD. D' |
**If you’ve installed Ubuntu before, the Manjaro installation doesn’t feel a whole lot different, but I had an issue (perhaps because I selected Canadian English) with keyboard mapping; our keyboard ended up mapped as Canadian French. This proved to be slightly problematic when we needed to type the @ symbol and got the “ symbol. Like most distributions, | **If you’ve installed Ubuntu before, the Manjaro installation doesn’t feel a whole lot different, but I had an issue (perhaps because I selected Canadian English) with keyboard mapping; our keyboard ended up mapped as Canadian French. This proved to be slightly problematic when we needed to type the @ symbol and got the “ symbol. Like most distributions, | ||
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Another issue I ran into was Firefox didn’t want to get past our “captive portal.” At our project, we use a captive portal to block machines on our subnet from accessing the Internet without signing in to a web page first - the idea is to prevent malware from getting out to the Internet. Quite a few repairs brought in to our project are Windows systems that have been infected with some kind of malicious software. The captive portal allows us to connect to some of our local read-only shares to fix things before the systems are cleared to access the Internet. To get Manjaro to show the captive portal page, we had to close a tab that normally opens to the page and click a button to open a new tab showing the captive portal page.** | Another issue I ran into was Firefox didn’t want to get past our “captive portal.” At our project, we use a captive portal to block machines on our subnet from accessing the Internet without signing in to a web page first - the idea is to prevent malware from getting out to the Internet. Quite a few repairs brought in to our project are Windows systems that have been infected with some kind of malicious software. The captive portal allows us to connect to some of our local read-only shares to fix things before the systems are cleared to access the Internet. To get Manjaro to show the captive portal page, we had to close a tab that normally opens to the page and click a button to open a new tab showing the captive portal page.** | ||
- | Si vous avez déjà installé Ubuntu, l' | + | Si vous avez déjà installé Ubuntu, l' |
- | J'ai eu aussi un problème avec Firefox qui ne voulait pas traverser notre « portail captif ». Sur notre projet, nous utilisons un portail captif pour empêcher les machines de notre sous-réseau d' | + | J'ai eu aussi un problème avec Firefox qui ne voulait pas traverser notre « portail captif ». Sur notre projet, nous utilisons un portail captif pour empêcher les machines de notre sous-réseau d' |
**Installation from DVD took around 25 minutes. Considering the age of the computer, and the fact that we were installing from DVD media, it seemed like a pretty short time. Manjaro installed with the latest packages, everything was completely up to date. | **Installation from DVD took around 25 minutes. Considering the age of the computer, and the fact that we were installing from DVD media, it seemed like a pretty short time. Manjaro installed with the latest packages, everything was completely up to date. | ||
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Sun Jan 7 12:01:00 EST 2018** | Sun Jan 7 12:01:00 EST 2018** | ||
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+ | Dim 7 janvier 12:01:00 2018 | ||
**The date still seemed to display incorrectly as 17:01 in the XFCE taskbar. I discovered that the problem was the XFCE version in Manjaro only seems to display the time to UTC. Another thing I found annoying is that Manjaro XFCE doesn’t have a screen capture tool mapped to the Print Screen key; even MS Windows at least puts the screen into a buffer. Manjaro does install xfce4-screenshooter, | **The date still seemed to display incorrectly as 17:01 in the XFCE taskbar. I discovered that the problem was the XFCE version in Manjaro only seems to display the time to UTC. Another thing I found annoying is that Manjaro XFCE doesn’t have a screen capture tool mapped to the Print Screen key; even MS Windows at least puts the screen into a buffer. Manjaro does install xfce4-screenshooter, | ||
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**Xubuntu tends to lean on the “lesser is better” side when it comes to applications that get installed with the default Xubuntu installation. Manjaro installs more software “out-of-the-box.” Software I found in the menu included: Audacious (music playback), Bluetooth Manager, Bulk Rename, Catfish (text search), Engrampa (file archiving), Thunar (file management), | **Xubuntu tends to lean on the “lesser is better” side when it comes to applications that get installed with the default Xubuntu installation. Manjaro installs more software “out-of-the-box.” Software I found in the menu included: Audacious (music playback), Bluetooth Manager, Bulk Rename, Catfish (text search), Engrampa (file archiving), Thunar (file management), | ||
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+ | Xubuntu a tendance à pencher du côté « moins c'est mieux » pour ce qui concerne les applications qui sont installées par défaut dans Xubuntu. Manjaro installe plus de logiciels à partir de l' | ||
**I found it noteworthy that Manjaro included Gufw Firewall, HP Device Manager and Qtv42l tester. I tried the Qtv42l tester with a very old Creative Labs VF-0050 webcam. It crashed almost immediately upon detecting the cam, but the second and third time it ran without issue. | **I found it noteworthy that Manjaro included Gufw Firewall, HP Device Manager and Qtv42l tester. I tried the Qtv42l tester with a very old Creative Labs VF-0050 webcam. It crashed almost immediately upon detecting the cam, but the second and third time it ran without issue. | ||
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Manjaro XFCE was pretty stable on 4GB of RAM. Youtube video playback was surprisingly good in windowed mode, but full-screen was choppy - a better video card (than the default onboard) might fix this. Our Thinkcenter M57 was connected to a Samsung 22” LCD display running at 1680x1050. There was no extra video card other than the integrated graphics card on the M57’s motherboard.** | Manjaro XFCE was pretty stable on 4GB of RAM. Youtube video playback was surprisingly good in windowed mode, but full-screen was choppy - a better video card (than the default onboard) might fix this. Our Thinkcenter M57 was connected to a Samsung 22” LCD display running at 1680x1050. There was no extra video card other than the integrated graphics card on the M57’s motherboard.** | ||
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+ | J'ai trouvé bien que Manjaro inclue Gufw Firewall, le gestionnaire de matériel HP et le testeur Qt v42l. J'ai essayé le testeur Qt v42l avec une très vieille webcam VF-500 de Creative Labs. Il a planté presque tout de suite en détectant la caméra, mais le second et le troisième essais se sont déroulés sans problème. | ||
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+ | Des liens vers Microsoft Word, Excel, Onenote, Outlook et Powerpoint Online sont aussi compris dans le menu XFCE. J'ai trouvé très bizarre de voir tout ce bazar de Microsoft dans une distribution Linux. Les liens vous dirigent vers une page de connexion de Microsoft Live. Si vous utilisez la suite Microsoft Office, ce peut être un bon point. | ||
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+ | La stabilité de Manjaro XFCE sur 4 Go de RAM était très convenable. La lecture de vidéos YouTube était étonnamment bonne en mode fenêtré, mais c' | ||
**I couldn’t find a simple device driver installer like Ubuntu has. I tried typing “device” into the whisker menu, but no luck. I eventually found the additional drivers program in the All Settings menu. | **I couldn’t find a simple device driver installer like Ubuntu has. I tried typing “device” into the whisker menu, but no luck. I eventually found the additional drivers program in the All Settings menu. | ||
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It’s a small thing, but I’ve gotten used to finding items by searching the whisker menu. Searching for a term like “drivers” should intuitively bring up the area of the settings menu to check for proprietary/ | It’s a small thing, but I’ve gotten used to finding items by searching the whisker menu. Searching for a term like “drivers” should intuitively bring up the area of the settings menu to check for proprietary/ | ||
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+ | Je n'ai pas trouvé d' | ||
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+ | Menu Whisker > Paramètres > Manjaro Gestionnaire de paramètres > Configuration matérielle | ||
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+ | Ce n'est pas grand chose, mais je me suis habitué à trouver des trucs en cherchant dans le menu whisker. La recherche d'un terme comme « pilotes » devrait intuitivement faire ressortir la zone de menu des paramètres pour vérifier les pilotes propriétaires/ | ||
**One of the best parts of any Debian-based distribution is the apt package management system. Manjaro’s pacman compares favourably with a lot of shorter commands. Pacman tends to use switches rather than words for arguments. While less memorable, once you know the switches, it’s a lot simpler/ | **One of the best parts of any Debian-based distribution is the apt package management system. Manjaro’s pacman compares favourably with a lot of shorter commands. Pacman tends to use switches rather than words for arguments. While less memorable, once you know the switches, it’s a lot simpler/ | ||
One aspect of pacman I really liked was that I was able to run a pacman update while browsing the graphical “Pamac” software installer. I tried to simultaneously install software with Pamac and it sensibly provided a message at the bottom indicating that it was waiting for another program (the cli pacman) to finish installing software.** | One aspect of pacman I really liked was that I was able to run a pacman update while browsing the graphical “Pamac” software installer. I tried to simultaneously install software with Pamac and it sensibly provided a message at the bottom indicating that it was waiting for another program (the cli pacman) to finish installing software.** | ||
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+ | Une des meilleures parties de toute distribution basée sur Debian est le système de gestion des paquets apt. Pacman de Manjaro s'y compare favorablement avec beaucoup de commandes raccourcies. Pacman a tendance à utiliser des commutateurs plutôt que des mots comme arguments. Bien que moins mémorisables, | ||
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+ | Un aspect de Pacman que j' | ||
**Pamac’s looks simple, but I’m not sure some of the design decisions are completely intuitive for someone looking at it for the first time. When loaded, Pamac displays software currently installed, it’s not until you click on the Categories tab that you see other software. And there’s no obvious way to install software until you’ve marked a program for actual installation - then a bar appears at the bottom where you can “Apply” the software checked for installation. Once you know this is how Pamac works, it’s easy, but I wouldn’t say it’s intuitive for someone learning how to install software for the first time.** | **Pamac’s looks simple, but I’m not sure some of the design decisions are completely intuitive for someone looking at it for the first time. When loaded, Pamac displays software currently installed, it’s not until you click on the Categories tab that you see other software. And there’s no obvious way to install software until you’ve marked a program for actual installation - then a bar appears at the bottom where you can “Apply” the software checked for installation. Once you know this is how Pamac works, it’s easy, but I wouldn’t say it’s intuitive for someone learning how to install software for the first time.** | ||
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**Manjaro 17.1 isn’t noticeably faster than Xubuntu, and for me it lacks some of the polish of Xubuntu, but it does include a more end-user friendly set of software out-of-box, and has a more up-to-date and better selection of software overall. There are lots of positives about Manjaro: it performs well, pacman is awesome, the selection of software is great, software out-of-the-box is very end-user friendly, and it works well on 11 year-old hardware. But some things like the date and keyboard issue make it a bit annoying. Would I recommend it as a first introduction to Linux -- perhaps, certainly power users will appreciate all it has to offer, but some of the small issues might make me think twice about installing it as a first Linux distribution for someone new to Linux. | **Manjaro 17.1 isn’t noticeably faster than Xubuntu, and for me it lacks some of the polish of Xubuntu, but it does include a more end-user friendly set of software out-of-box, and has a more up-to-date and better selection of software overall. There are lots of positives about Manjaro: it performs well, pacman is awesome, the selection of software is great, software out-of-the-box is very end-user friendly, and it works well on 11 year-old hardware. But some things like the date and keyboard issue make it a bit annoying. Would I recommend it as a first introduction to Linux -- perhaps, certainly power users will appreciate all it has to offer, but some of the small issues might make me think twice about installing it as a first Linux distribution for someone new to Linux. | ||
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+ | Manjaro 17.1 n'est pas particulièrement plus rapide que Xubuntu et, pour moi, il manque un peu du fini de Xubuntu ; mais il contient un ensemble de logiciels pré-installés plus intéressant pour l' |
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