issue187:courriels
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In each review, Adam Hunt is careful to mention Ventoy and the ease with which one can simply copy and paste ISOs onto a USB key equipped with it, in order to test and/or install the various distros, without fuss or worry. | In each review, Adam Hunt is careful to mention Ventoy and the ease with which one can simply copy and paste ISOs onto a USB key equipped with it, in order to test and/or install the various distros, without fuss or worry. | ||
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My computer (a 4 and a half year old ASUS) works quite well under Windows 11. Almost every other computer in the house, including my husband’s, | My computer (a 4 and a half year old ASUS) works quite well under Windows 11. Almost every other computer in the house, including my husband’s, | ||
- | To make a long story short, I thought I’d try out various distributions on it and so I downloaded Ventoy (01 July, 2022) and, after a rather disastrous trial with a 32GB stick, put it on a 64GB USB stick. I have put a number of distros on the stick. This morning, when I checked to see if I could find the version of Ventoy, I saw there were two partitions: one for all the files and folders of Ventoy, and the other for the distros. | + | To make a long story short, I thought I’d try out various distributions on it and so I downloaded Ventoy (01 July, 2022) and, after a rather disastrous trial with a 32GB stick, put it on a 64GB USB stick. I have put a number of distros on the stick. This morning, when I checked to see if I could find the version of Ventoy, I saw there were two partitions: one for all the files and folders of Ventoy, and the other for the distros.** |
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+ | Mon ordinateur (un ASUS de 4 ans et demi) fonctionne très bien sous Windows 11. Presque tous les autres ordinateurs à la maison, y compris celui de mon mari, sont sous Ubuntu MATE. Mais j’ai un petit laptop Samsung sous Windows XP (je pense). Quoi qu’il en soit, il est vieux et je pense, sans le savoir, qu’il est en 32-bit. | ||
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+ | Bref, je pensais essayer diverses distributions dessus et j’ai donc téléchargé Ventoy (le 1er juillet 2022) et, après un essai assez désastreux avec une clé de 32 Go, je l’ai installé sur une clé USB de 64 Go. J’ai mis de nombreuses distrib. sur la clé. Ce matin, quand j'ai voulu trouver la version de Ventoy, j’ai constaté qu’il y avait deux partitions : | ||
- | The reason I’m writing this letter is that I have found that Ventoy seems to cannibalise the USB stick. Let me explain: once Ventoy is on a USB stick, it seems impossible to get rid of it. It also seems impossible to find out what version of Ventoy I have. I wanted to put movies on the 32GB stick on which I had installed Ventoy first, but found that it was impossible to get my 12-year-old TV to read them. I also found it impossible to turn that USB stick into a normal stick. I ended up reformatting the stick in NTFS slowly (not a quick reformat) and, afterwards, (and, of course, after I put a few movies on it), when I plugged it into the TV, I was able to see only the movies. Victory! Or so I thought! | + | **The reason I’m writing this letter is that I have found that Ventoy seems to cannibalise the USB stick. Let me explain: once Ventoy is on a USB stick, it seems impossible to get rid of it. It also seems impossible to find out what version of Ventoy I have. I wanted to put movies on the 32GB stick on which I had installed Ventoy first, but found that it was impossible to get my 12-year-old TV to read them. I also found it impossible to turn that USB stick into a normal stick. I ended up reformatting the stick in NTFS slowly (not a quick reformat) and, afterwards, (and, of course, after I put a few movies on it), when I plugged it into the TV, I was able to see only the movies. Victory! Or so I thought! |
Yesterday, however, when I wanted to watch one of those films, I found myself unexpectedly in a Ventoy directory. After fiddling around with the Source to the TV, I found that the USB stick had two partitions, one with Ventoy and the other with the movies (which could be watched). Yet I had been under the impression that I had truly suppressed Ventoy. | Yesterday, however, when I wanted to watch one of those films, I found myself unexpectedly in a Ventoy directory. After fiddling around with the Source to the TV, I found that the USB stick had two partitions, one with Ventoy and the other with the movies (which could be watched). Yet I had been under the impression that I had truly suppressed Ventoy. | ||
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Elizabeth (AuntieE) | Elizabeth (AuntieE) | ||
- | French Translation Team | + | French Translation Team** |
+ | La raison pour laquelle j’écris cette lettre est que je trouve que Ventoy semble cannibaliser la clé USB. Permettez-moi de m’expliquer : | ||
- | Thank you for your email. This is an interesting puzzle and one I have not encountered, although I have generally run into USB sticks that start misbehaving, won't mount, or won't eject, transfer data, etc. I am never totally sure what causes this, but it often seems to be a file system formatting sort of issue. | + | Cependant, hier, quand j'ai voulu regarder un de ces films, je me suis soudain trouvée dans un répertoire Ventoy. Après avoir bricolé avec la Source de la TV, j’ai constaté que la clé USB avait deux partitions, l’une avec Ventoy et l’autre avec les films (qui pouvaient être regardés). Et pourtant je pensais vraiment avoir supprimé Ventoy. |
- | It is worth noting that Ventoy | + | C’est pourquoi j’aimerais poser une question à Adam Hunt : bien que Ventoy |
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+ | **Thank you for your email. This is an interesting puzzle and one I have not encountered, | ||
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+ | It is worth noting that Ventoy leaves the USB stick with two partitions, a large storage partition in exFat format, and a small (32 MB) EFI boot partition in FAT16 format, of all things. The Ventoy home website seems to have no documentation on removing Ventoy from a stick. In theory, it should be possible to use it as a regular storage device with any computer or other hardware that can read exFat , but it is quite possible that older TVs, like yours, have a file system compatibility issue there. I am pretty unfamiliar with Windows and its tools these days, so this explanation will be for Linux computers.** | ||
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+ | Je vous remercie pour votre courriel. C’est une énigme intéressante et que je n’ai jamais rencontrée, | ||
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+ | Il vaut le coup de signaler que Ventoy crée deux partitions sur la clé USB, une grande partition de stockage en format exFat et une petite (32 Mo) partition EFI de démarrage en format FAT16, figurez-vous ! L’accueil du site Web ne semble pas avoir de documentation sur la suppression de Ventoy d'une clé. Théoriquement, | ||
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• Try a simple reformat (which you tried) using a tool such as Gnome Disks. This alone will sometimes fix a stick. | • Try a simple reformat (which you tried) using a tool such as Gnome Disks. This alone will sometimes fix a stick. | ||
• Try a more capable tool, such as GParted. Use " | • Try a more capable tool, such as GParted. Use " | ||
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sudo badblocks -wsvb 1024 -c 512 /dev/sdh | sudo badblocks -wsvb 1024 -c 512 /dev/sdh | ||
- | You should use GParted to confirm the exact mount point on the individual computer, however, as it may be /dev/sdh, or /dev/sdi, etc. You do not want to run this on the wrong device! | + | You should use GParted to confirm the exact mount point on the individual computer, however, as it may be /dev/sdh, or /dev/sdi, etc. You do not want to run this on the wrong device!** |
- | Badblocks will test the USB device, completely erase the whole device and overwrite each sector in testing it. Running it may take a while, depending on the computer's processor speed and the capacity of the device. Once that has completed, a check with GParted should show that the USB is empty and not formatted. It can then be formatted to a suitable format, like FAT32 or NTFS and used normally. | + | Je n’ai pas encore pu le faire avec une clé équipée de Ventoy, mais, en général, ce que j'ai trouvé qui fera fonctionner à nouveau une clé USB qui ne coopère pas est : |
+ | ••Essayez un reformatage simple (ce que vous avez essayé) avec un outil comme Gnome Disks. Cela tout seul corrigera parfois une clé. | ||
+ | ••Essayez un outil plus puissant, comme Gparted. Utilisez « Device > Create partition table » (Périphériques > Créer une table de partition), car cela reformatera la clé USB complètement et devrait supprimer tout ce qui s’y trouve. | ||
+ | ••Si cela ne réussit pas, essayez le programme Linux en ligne de commande badblocks (qui est livré avec tous les dérivés d’Ubuntu). | ||
- | If none of that fixes it, then I would suspect that the USB stick is failing at a hardware level. | + | La commande est : |
- | To address your other note, yes you are correct, Ventoy does not report its version number, at least not easily! There are only two ways I have found to figure out which version you have installed. The first is to just keep the current download folder, which has the number on it, or to run the Ventoy update GUI from any Ventoy download folder and it will report the version number. It would be a nice addition if, on booting it up, it reported the version number! | + | sudo badblocks -wsvb 1024 -c 512 /dev/sdh |
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+ | Vous devriez utiliser Gparted pour confirmer le point de montage exact suivant l' | ||
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+ | **Badblocks will test the USB device, completely erase the whole device and overwrite each sector in testing it. Running it may take a while, depending on the computer' | ||
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+ | If none of that fixes it, then I would suspect that the USB stick is failing at a hardware level.** | ||
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+ | Badblocks testera le dispositif USB, l' | ||
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+ | Si rien de tout cela ne corrige votre clé, j' | ||
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+ | **To address your other note, yes you are correct, Ventoy does not report its version number, at least not easily! There are only two ways I have found to figure out which version you have installed. The first is to just keep the current download folder, which has the number on it, or to run the Ventoy update GUI from any Ventoy download folder and it will report the version number. It would be a nice addition if, on booting it up, it reported the version number! | ||
I hope this all helps. If any readers have more, or better information, | I hope this all helps. If any readers have more, or better information, | ||
Adam Hunt | Adam Hunt | ||
- | Reviewer Extraordinaire | + | Reviewer Extraordinaire** |
+ | Quant à votre autre note, oui, vous avez raison : Ventoy ne donne pas son numéro de version, du moins pas facilement ! Je n’ai découvert que deux façons de trouver quelle version est installée. La première est tout simplement de garder le dossier de téléchargement actuel, qui comporte le numéro, ou d’exécuter l’interface graphique de mise à jour de Ventoy à partir de n’importe quel dossier de téléchargement de Ventoy ; il vous donnera le numéro de version. Ce serait un ajout sympa si, lors du démarrage, il annonçait le numéro de version ! | ||
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+ | J’espère que tout cela vous aidera. Si des lecteurs ont davantage d’informations, | ||
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+ | Adam Hunt | ||
+ | Critique Extraordinaire | ||
- | In order to try out the Gparted solution, I plugged it into a computer with Ubuntu MATE on it. Guess what? It shows up as ‘Unnamed’ - NOT two partitions – with only the films and a folder called System Volume Information on it. There is no hint whatsoever of Ventoy. Curiouser and curiouser. | + | **In order to try out the Gparted solution, I plugged it into a computer with Ubuntu MATE on it. Guess what? It shows up as ‘Unnamed’ - NOT two partitions – with only the films and a folder called System Volume Information on it. There is no hint whatsoever of Ventoy. Curiouser and curiouser. |
I thought I would do the Gparted solution anyway to see whether Ventoy has completely disappeared when the stick is read by Windows and by the television. BUT, when I looked at the stick with Gparted, both partitions were actually present: sdb1 ntfs with the flag boot, and sdb2 fat16 with the label VTOYEFI and the flag esp. When I tried to do Device > Create partition table, I got a long message, saying it was impossible to do so because some of the partitions were active (although neither was selected). I unmounted the USB stick that showed up as Unnamed, but that made no difference whatsoever. My conclusion is that the Ventoy partition is the active one. Ventoy seems to be sticking like glue. | I thought I would do the Gparted solution anyway to see whether Ventoy has completely disappeared when the stick is read by Windows and by the television. BUT, when I looked at the stick with Gparted, both partitions were actually present: sdb1 ntfs with the flag boot, and sdb2 fat16 with the label VTOYEFI and the flag esp. When I tried to do Device > Create partition table, I got a long message, saying it was impossible to do so because some of the partitions were active (although neither was selected). I unmounted the USB stick that showed up as Unnamed, but that made no difference whatsoever. My conclusion is that the Ventoy partition is the active one. Ventoy seems to be sticking like glue. | ||
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I’ll try the badblocks solution tomorrow and report back on that. | I’ll try the badblocks solution tomorrow and report back on that. | ||
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+ | Afin d’essayer la solution Gparted, j’ai branché la clé sur un ordinateur sous Ubuntu MATE. Devinez quoi ? Il s’affiche comme « Unnamed » - PAS deux partitions – avec seulement les films et un dossier appelé System Volume Information. Sans la moindre indication de Ventoy. De plus en plus curieux. | ||
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+ | Je pensais faire la solution Gparted quand même pour voir si Ventoy avait complètement disparu quand la clé est lue par Windows et par la télévision. MAIS, quand j’ai regardé la clé avec Gparted, les deux partitions étaient en fait présentes : | ||
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- | The first message I got from badblocks was ‘/dev/sdb is apparently used by the system ; it is not prudent to run badblocks!’ | + | **The first message I got from badblocks was ‘/dev/sdb is apparently used by the system ; it is not prudent to run badblocks!’ |
So I waited, restarted the computer, put the stick in and ejected Unnamed. This time, the message was ‘No support found when badblocks tried to determine the size of the device’. Although I had ejected Unnamed, when I went to Computer, I found that a ‘generic flash disk’ existed. I ejected it but nothing changed until I took the stick out anyway. I waited a bit and put it in again. Unnamed was visible, but, when I ran badblocks once again, I got the original message. I can only guess that, because the stick is ‘used by the system’, I cannot run badblocks. | So I waited, restarted the computer, put the stick in and ejected Unnamed. This time, the message was ‘No support found when badblocks tried to determine the size of the device’. Although I had ejected Unnamed, when I went to Computer, I found that a ‘generic flash disk’ existed. I ejected it but nothing changed until I took the stick out anyway. I waited a bit and put it in again. Unnamed was visible, but, when I ran badblocks once again, I got the original message. I can only guess that, because the stick is ‘used by the system’, I cannot run badblocks. | ||
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+ | Le premier message que m’a donné badblocks était « / | ||
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+ | Bon, j’ai attendu, redémarré l’ordinateur, | ||
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+ | Par ailleurs, quand j’ai redémarré l’ordinateur avec la clé USB branchée, Ventoy s’affichait presque tout de suite. Il semblerait que la version est la 1.0.78 UEFI. Heureusement, | ||
- | Under Windows, I formatted only the Ventoy partition, leaving Unnamed untouched, and Windows now says that the Ventoy partition is empty. Maybe I can use badblocks, so it’s back to Ubuntu MATE to see. Although all that is visible in the Ventoy partition is Volume Information, | + | **Under Windows, I formatted only the Ventoy partition, leaving Unnamed untouched, and Windows now says that the Ventoy partition is empty. Maybe I can use badblocks, so it’s back to Ubuntu MATE to see. Although all that is visible in the Ventoy partition is Volume Information, |
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+ | Sous Windows, j’ai reformaté uniquement la partition Ventoy, sans toucher à Unnamed, la partition avec les films. Après, Windows a indiqué que la partition de Ventoy était vide. Puis-je utiliser badblocks maintenant ? | ||
- | Creating a new partition table in Gparted continued to be impossible. But I tried one last time with badblocks and it seems to be working! All that was needed was not only reformatting, | + | **Creating a new partition table in Gparted continued to be impossible. But I tried one last time with badblocks and it seems to be working! All that was needed was not only reformatting, |
My final goal is to have a normal USB stick with only one partition. And, Adam, thanks to you and your suggestion of badblocks, it looks like I’m on my way! | My final goal is to have a normal USB stick with only one partition. And, Adam, thanks to you and your suggestion of badblocks, it looks like I’m on my way! | ||
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Adam Hunt | Adam Hunt | ||
Reviewer Extraordinaire | Reviewer Extraordinaire | ||
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Yes, thank you, Adam. I just reformatted the USB stick with only one partition on it. All is well. | Yes, thank you, Adam. I just reformatted the USB stick with only one partition on it. All is well. | ||
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+ | Il était toujours impossible de créer une nouvelle table de partitions dans Gparted. Mais j’ai ré-essayé une dernière fois avec badblocks et cela semblait fonctionner ! Tout ce qu’il fallait faire était non seulement le reformatage, | ||
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+ | Mon objectif final est d’avoir une clé USB normale avec une seule partition. Et, Adam, grâce à toi et à ta suggestion concernant badblocks, je semble être en très bon chemin ! | ||
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+ | Elizabeth (AuntieE) | ||
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+ | Waouh : ça, c’était un processus tortueux. J’espère que badblocks a finalement tout réglé et que tu pouvais la reformater par la suite ? Badblocks refuse de fonctionner si un processus s’exécute sur le disque et ce processus a dû être Ventoy lui-même. | ||
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+ | Oui, merci, Adam. Je viens de reformater la clé USB avec une seule partition. Tout va bien. | ||
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